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ported D ring bits?
#11
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Originally posted by Arenadirt

I have been using this Dutton bit on Seven for a couple of years now, ever since NCHA made it legal in the cutting pen:

http://www.nrsworld.com/dutton-bits/copp...aver-11178

They call it a snaffle, but it does have a curb. Kit Carpenter gave me this bit about ten years ago, saying that Sev would like it when he got older. Sure enough, he's more comfortable with that bit than with anything else he has ever put in his mouth. But I wouldn't use it for training - it is NOT good for making hard or sudden contact (not that any bit is), it works best for loose-rein communication. So much of making the right choice depends on the rider's hands and the horse's brain...



This is another example of a bit manufacturer that doesn't understand the difference between a snaffle and a curb... and what I've seen numerous times in places (and online) where bits are sold. That bit is a curb, not a snaffle.

And, of course, I know you know this, AD [Wink].

Thought I'd add that I echo Mrs. Hook's observation. I'd love to read the answer to her question.
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#12
There was some lore attached to that bit design, if I can remember it. The lifesaver supposedly amplifies slight hand movements, delivering a feeling to the mouth. And that hopefully makes it easier to communicate on a looser rein. I should probably put in in my own mouth to see what exactly it feels like (would not be the first time).
I do know that with Seven at least, he is MUCH lighter in that bit than when in a true snaffle or even the super-complicated rig with swiveling jowls and noseband that I trained him in for a while. And it's not about pain or fear of pain - I discovered early on that direct contact is not something that goes with that bit... Sorry, I wish Kit was here to recall the story.

Ginger, Greg Dutton has been building bits for over 35 years, so I'm pretty sure he knows what a snaffle is - guess it's just not worth trying to educate the public about terminology when you have bits to build!
"There is something about the outside of a horse...that is good for the inside of a man." ~Winston Churchill~
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#13
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Originally posted by Arenadirt

There was some lore attached to that bit design, if I can remember it. The lifesaver supposedly amplifies slight hand movements, delivering a feeling to the mouth. And that hopefully makes it easier to communicate on a looser rein. I should probably put in in my own mouth to see what exactly it feels like (would not be the first time).
I do know that with Seven at least, he is MUCH lighter in that bit than when in a true snaffle or even the super-complicated rig with swiveling jowls and noseband that I trained him in for a while. And it's not about pain or fear of pain - I discovered early on that direct contact is not something that goes with that bit... Sorry, I wish Kit was here to recall the story.

Ginger, Greg Dutton has been building bits for over 35 years, so I'm pretty sure he knows what a snaffle is - guess it's just not worth trying to educate the public about terminology when you have bits to build!



Mr. Dutton might not have been the one to apply the name "snaffle" to that bit. It could be whoever marketed the bit who called it a snaffle and not knowing the difference. That happens A LOT as I've already said. A maker makes the bit, yes, but once it's mass produced for public sale, it's up to the person marketing that bit to decide how to present it to the public. The problem is that an uneducated person will call this bit a snaffle regardless how you try to explain otherwise because that was what it was labeled at time of purchase. And that's a real shame.
"God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses"
--Robert Browning

Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Just walk beside me and be my friend.
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#14
Of course you're right, Ginger. The good news (in this case) is that Seven doesn't much care what people call it - to him it's just his bit. Smile
It is a shame if people get (and take) advice based on principles they don't understand. I remember my own confusion about mouthpieces, ports, shanks, correction vs training vs general use vs show bits. Until you've had a chance to experience how different horses respond to different bits, it's all just a bunch of stories, and real easy to make a bad choice based on all those words.
"There is something about the outside of a horse...that is good for the inside of a man." ~Winston Churchill~
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#15
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Originally posted by Arenadirt

Of course you're right, Ginger. The good news (in this case) is that Seven doesn't much care what people call it - to him it's just his bit. Smile
It is a shame if people get (and take) advice based on principles they don't understand. I remember my own confusion about mouthpieces, ports, shanks, correction vs training vs general use vs show bits. Until you've had a chance to experience how different horses respond to different bits, it's all just a bunch of stories, and real easy to make a bad choice based on all those words.



Ahhh, if we could all be like horses in that respect. LOL [Wink]
"God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses"
--Robert Browning

Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Just walk beside me and be my friend.
-- Author Unknown
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