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Here's a picture of the new horse! His name is Jae Bar Mif aka "Radar" due to his oversize ears! Is that a conformation fault??!![Big Grin] Anyway, here's my assessment of his conformation, any comments are appreciated and will be taken cheerfully!

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My comments:



BALANCE

Good condition, less muscling in the hindquarters than expected for a horse in prime condition. Overall pleasing but long backed.

TOP LINE
Top line is level, seems to me that back should be straighter. Wither is high enough to allow good collection. Long back... which is kinda funny because this horse can do some awesome sliding stops and that would seem difficult with a long back. I was taught that the back from withers to point of croup should be no more than 1/3 the overall length of the horse and he clearly meets that criteria.!!

BOTTOM LINE
Don't see any problems here..

HEAD
Eyes slightly small (but kind!)and he has a slight roman nose. Nostrils large and well formed. Probably thicker at the throatlatch than desired but he is a quarter horse after all!

NECK
No problems here that I can see....

FRONT

I think the angles are fine and fairly well matched (slightly steeper in the front?)

Front leg placed well forward under the shoulder. Cannon bone is vertical. Pastern angle okay. He has a long arm bone (see how far his chest sticks out in front?) which will give him a greater stride length and good lateral movement... good for spinning..... (and is probably inherited from his mom being of cutter lineage).

BACK
Withers are well defined. I tend to like to see less of a dip in the back but I think this is okay. I think this is referred to as the depth of the back and basically the lowest point of his back measured down to his abdomen should be equal to the depth of the front of his chest measured at the girth line. His isn't equal but I don't think it's as much as a conformational fault as a lack of abdominal muscles. What do you think?

I think that the rear legs are possibly his worst area, he definitely is cow hocked. Cannon bone is straight but his hock is too far forward. Feet are a little small too heel contracted) but some corrective shoeing will help. I also think he is post legged (straight behind) with a fairly vertical tibia. He'd probably make a better hunter than a reiner but we will make sure that we give him joint supplements and adequan during the show season to minimize joint damage.


Whew! seems like a lot of faults![Big Grin][Big Grin]
What can I say a very nice looking Quarter Horse. He seems to be built about like my wifes Quarterhorse. I am not a quarterhorse person but he is a very handsome fellow. Rick
He looks very TB to me, sbower. Does he have a lot of Thoroughbred in his pedigree? I think this would also contribute to his ears looking a little long?

Nice horse.
I agree with RH. He looks to be more Thoroughbred than Quarter Horse. He's front heavy, which gives him that TB look...I guess it's just because he's built light. He sure is pretty though, and I love his tail. Also, the background on the conformation picture is gorgeous. Such lovely green trees. [Big Grin]

I had a little dog named Radar once. And yes, it was because of his ears too. lol
How old is your Radar? Is he gelded or a stud?
He's gelded and he just turned eight! He really is a sweetheart, very curious...maybe a little mouthy...well make that a lot because he shredded his blanket a couple of nights ago.


This is his pedigree but I wasn't sure how to write it so bear with me!
Jae Bar Mif

SIRE side of pedigree

Mifillena who was out of Smart Little Lena 1979 and Miss Freckles Last 1978 .... who in turn are out of Doc O'Lena, Smart Peppy and Colonels Freckles, Josie Last

Dam side of pedigree

Sweet Little Fletch who was out of Jae Bar Fletch and Doc's Yuba Lea.... who in turn are out of Doc's Jack Sprat, Jae Bar Lena and Doc Bar 1956, My Dinah Lea.

Further back he's more Leo and Doc Bar, Poco Lena, and Peppy....

I'm familiar with some of the reining and cutting lines but are any of these thoroughbred too?
Wow! That's some good cutting and reining blood backing him up! Has he worked with cows at all that you know of? I bet he can be "catty" in his movements[Wink].

'Fraid I don't know enough about QH lines to tell if there's any TB back in his pedigree. A lot of good, solid foundation QH, though[Wink].
I checked on the AQHA website pedigree site and he has only wayyyyy back off pedigree foundation thoroughbred blood.

He is as foundation as you can get.

Sbower has done a great job of analyzing Radars conformation.

I'll make a couple of comments based on her analysis. My comments will be in blue

Overall I think Radar is on the thin side. Not skinny ---- thin. I would have expected much more muscle definition if the the thinness was due to conditioning from work. My thought is that his diet should be reviewed to ensure he has an adequate balance of the necessary nutrients for optimum health. Check out the logic in the /ration balancer post. The only change I would suggest is that his protein level needs to be increased to help him build muscle as he is worked.

BALANCE

Good condition, less muscling in the hindquarters than expected for a horse in prime condition. Overall pleasing but long backed.

I think as he build some more muscle he will appear much more balanced. I don't think his back is too long for his conformation

TOP LINE
Top line is level, seems to me that back should be straighter. Wither is high enough to allow good collection. Long back... which is kinda funny because this horse can do some awesome sliding stops and that would seem difficult with a long back. I was taught that the back from withers to point of croup should be no more than 1/3 the overall length of the horse and he clearly meets that criteria.!!

Radar could have more muscle in his back area but his top line is basic quarter horse

BOTTOM LINE
Don't see any problems here..

HEAD
Eyes slightly small (but kind!)and he has a slight roman nose. Nostrils large and well formed. Probably thicker at the throatlatch than desired but he is a quarter horse after all!

NECK
No problems here that I can see....

FRONT

I think the angles are fine and fairly well matched (slightly steeper in the front?)

Front leg placed well forward under the shoulder. Cannon bone is vertical. Pastern angle okay. He has a long arm bone (see how far his chest sticks out in front?) which will give him a greater stride length and good lateral movement... good for spinning..... (and is probably inherited from his mom being of cutter lineage).

BACK
Withers are well defined. I tend to like to see less of a dip in the back but I think this is okay. I think this is referred to as the depth of the back and basically the lowest point of his back measured down to his abdomen should be equal to the depth of the front of his chest measured at the girth line. His isn't equal but I don't think it's as much as a conformational fault as a lack of abdominal muscles. What do you think?

I think his top line and bottom line will improve with The diet change I have suggested with added muscle in his back and a trim tummy from conditioning.

I think the rear legs are possibly his worst area, he definitely is cow hocked. Cannon bone is straight but his hock is too far forward. Feet are a little small too heel contracted) but some corrective shoeing will help. I also think he is post legged (straight behind) with a fairly vertical tibia. He'd probably make a better hunter than a reiner but we will make sure that we give him joint supplements and adequan during the show season to minimize joint damage.

I don't see excessive cow hocked from your picture but a slight turn out below the hock that increases as you get more through his fetlocks to his hooves. Need to be careful here with farrier to ensure that the reining plates are placed properly to correct and compensate for the slight toe-out.

I like the overall balance and looks of your new horse Radar. He looks like a winner to me.

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I think his top line and bottom line will improve with The diet change I have suggested with added muscle in his back and a trim tummy from conditioning.




How do you go about getting more muscle along a horses back between the withers and his croup? My QH has a noticeable dip in his back (not old enough or ridden nearly long enough to be sway backed)and I'm not sure how to "fix" it. Thanks.
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Originally posted by gaitingal

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I think his top line and bottom line will improve with The diet change I have suggested with added muscle in his back and a trim tummy from conditioning.




How do you go about getting more muscle along a horses back between the withers and his croup? My QH has a noticeable dip in his back (not old enough or ridden nearly long enough to be sway backed)and I'm not sure how to "fix" it. Thanks.



The answer here is pretty complicated as it depends upon the horse, his basic conformation, his level of fitness, how his saddle fits and how he is ridden, as well as age and probably other things i can't think of now.

As a general rule a horse needs more protein in their diet to build muscle and more fat ( energy) based feed to gain overall weight. A horse trained and ridden in a rounded collected manner will build more back muscle. A horse ridden in a poor fitting saddle may drop their back to avoid the pinching of the saddle and loose back muscle.

If you post or ( send me a private e-mail) a picture perhaps we can give some advice geared to your particular case.
One Thing a forgot to comment upon with Radar's pedigree. His breeding is to be a cutting horse, very strongly so.
I would like to see him around cows . I'll bet he would just light up and quiver with anticipation. It's in his breeding, he can't help it. May just be able to show up Flooper in team penning as well.[Wink][Smile]
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