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PaintGal
Trail Boss (Moderator)



USA
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Posted - 10/01/2008 :  1:10:08 PM  Show Profile Send PaintGal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
After feeding Gro'N Win for a few years, my supplier is no longer carrying it. I've been on a hunt for another ration balancer (without much luck, btw) and ran across a couple of charts that I thought might be interesting.

Ration Balancer Comparison Chart Grass Formulas

Ration Balancer Comparison Chart Legume Formulas

Karen ~ Trails
&
Joe Paint Gelding
Paoli, IN


"My treasures do not sparkle or glitter, they shine in the sun and neigh in the night."



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Mrs Hook
Trainer



Canada
853 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  1:56:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit Mrs Hook's Homepage Send Mrs Hook a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Karen
Have you checked out the TDI products? If you call them they can tell you if someone in your area is selling it. Lu Morris is a very nice knowledgeable lady.

We have been feeding it now for about 3-4 years and are really happy with the results. It is a "fixed formula" so you get the exact same ingredients each bag - not whatever happens to be the cheapest.

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walkinthewalk
Advanced Rider



USA
186 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  3:30:08 PM  Show Profile Send walkinthewalk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Those are good charts for the general horse owner.

Being an owner of one horse with EMS (Equine Metabolic Syndrome) and another that is trying his darndest to head down the metabolic path, I was disappointed to see that no one owned up to the NSC values in the Legume formulas and only Gro n Win owned up to them in the grass formulas.

I wish Gro n Win would have put that value in % instead of gram because I can't relate to that - lol lol

Low NSC values are an essential key to any metabolic horse's diet, be they bonafide Cushings, I-R, or EMS. Not logging that on the charts in the links decidedly keeps folks like me from considering their products because our horses have stringent eating needs.

Otherwise, I think the charts are great pieces of information

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PaintGal
Trail Boss (Moderator)



USA
5092 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  3:37:28 PM  Show Profile Send PaintGal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Darn! There are 2 dealers in Indiana but they are both some distance away.

Interestingly, I just received an email from Purina Mills answering my email inquiring about their products. Beverly Fischer, Animal Care Specialist, recommends Enrich 32. It used to be Nature’s Essentials® Born to Win®. There is a dealer in Louisville, KY that isn't too far out of my way when I go to L'ville so that might be a possibility. I'll have to call to make sure they carry it or would get it for me. There are other dealers not too far that may carry it too.

I'm still working on another feed store to carry the Buckeye products!

Karen ~ Trails
&
Joe Paint Gelding
Paoli, IN


"My treasures do not sparkle or glitter, they shine in the sun and neigh in the night."



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PaintGal
Trail Boss (Moderator)



USA
5092 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  3:43:37 PM  Show Profile Send PaintGal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by walkinthewalk

Those are good charts for the general horse owner.

Being an owner of one horse with EMS (Equine Metabolic Syndrome) and another that is trying his darndest to head down the metabolic path, I was disappointed to see that no one owned up to the NSC values in the Legume formulas and only Gro n Win owned up to them in the grass formulas.

I wish Gro n Win would have put that value in % instead of gram because I can't relate to that - lol lol

Low NSC values are an essential key to any metabolic horse's diet, be they bonafide Cushings, I-R, or EMS. Not logging that on the charts in the links decidedly keeps folks like me from considering their products because our horses have stringent eating needs.

Otherwise, I think the charts are great pieces of information





You might call or email Buckeye and ask them for the %.

Karen ~ Trails
&
Joe Paint Gelding
Paoli, IN


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hmeyer
Clinician



USA
2180 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  4:15:09 PM  Show Profile Send hmeyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PaintGal

I just received an email from Purina Mills answering my email inquiring about their products. Beverly Fischer, Animal Care Specialist, recommends Enrich 32. It used to be Nature’s Essentials® Born to Win®.

Karen, we feed Enrich 32 (formerly Born to Win), and have for a couple of years now. We are pleased with the results.

"You learn a thing a day, you store up smart" - Festus Haggen

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From the creatures in his care." -
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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  4:56:51 PM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ration Balancer locators and names

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Buckeye Gro N WIn or ALf Gro N Win
http://www.buckeyenutrition.com/dealers.html

Tribute feeds Essential K
http://www.kalmbachfeeds.com/Dealers.php?zipcode=16143

Front Runner 30% or 10% Supplment
http://www.frontrunnerhorse.com/

Kent Horsego12 or Horsego32
http://www.kentequine.com/Results.aspx

LMF SuperSupplement
http://lmffeeds.com/cart/index.php?m...products_id=10

Pennifield All Phase
http://www.pennfield.com/equinefeed/phaseFeeds.cfm

Progressive Pro Advantage grass or alfalfa formula
http://prognutrition.com/DealerLocator.htm

Purina Enrich32 or Enrich12
http://horse.purinamills.com/dealerlocator/

Seminal Equalizer
http://www.seminolefeed.com/ProductS.../Equalizer.mht

Triple Crown TC12% or TC30% supplement
http://www.triplecrownfeed.com/distributors.php


Brookes Feed All Phase
http://www.brooksfeeds.com/product04a.html

OK I think I got them all LOL I am sure I don't but as I remember more I will add them

<added by Hook>

The TDI Ration Balancer and Forage Balancers analysis is listed on the Analysis page on the TDI web-site - www.tdihorsefeeds.com

http://www.kalmbachfeeds.com/Dealers.php?zipcode=16143 this is Kalmbach

Merit has a diet Balancer now as well it is a division of Land O Lakes Purina http://www.equinemerit.com/merit_products.asp


Peggy Sue
Zan Parrs Dry Doc(Sassy)
Dark River Music(Lazy)
BA Flying Leo(Moosa)

Edited by - Hook on 10/06/2008 9:25:22 PM
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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  4:59:18 PM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A woman on another forum I go to made those up and we have since found more .. I think I covered them all in the above

I think the Kalmbach one is missing on my locators above...

Peggy Sue
Zan Parrs Dry Doc(Sassy)
Dark River Music(Lazy)
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PaintGal
Trail Boss (Moderator)



USA
5092 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  5:17:37 PM  Show Profile Send PaintGal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Harv,

Thanks for letting me know about Enrich! I found a place that's not too far from my parents that carry it.

Peggysue,

Tribute is the stuff that my source replaced Gro'N Win with. It is supposed to have been formulated by someone that used to work at Buckeye. My gripe is that it carries a tag instead of having the label printed on the bag. That means it's ingredients can change according to what is available or cheapest.

I don't know about the others you've listed but it sure would be nice to find out!

Karen ~ Trails
&
Joe Paint Gelding
Paoli, IN


"My treasures do not sparkle or glitter, they shine in the sun and neigh in the night."



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Edited by - PaintGal on 10/01/2008 5:20:11 PM
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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  5:22:01 PM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
actually Tribute is a FIXED formula .. the "tag" has nothing to do with the ingredients whoever told you that is full of it...look for actual ingredients not products... but I will say they are still researching the Essential line to a point... it is suppose to be the OLD Gro N Win formula :) so it has Whey in it which the Gro N Win does not and some people don't like it..I have talked to Tribute and they seem to be a good company and willing to stand behind their products

Peggy Sue
Zan Parrs Dry Doc(Sassy)
Dark River Music(Lazy)
BA Flying Leo(Moosa)
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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  5:24:01 PM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://www.kalmbachfeeds.com/Dealers.php?zipcode=16143 this is Kalmbach

Merit has a diet Balancer now as well it is a division of Land O Lakes Purina http://www.equinemerit.com/merit_products.asp

Peggy Sue
Zan Parrs Dry Doc(Sassy)
Dark River Music(Lazy)
BA Flying Leo(Moosa)
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PaintGal
Trail Boss (Moderator)



USA
5092 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2008 :  1:16:22 PM  Show Profile Send PaintGal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Peggysue,

When I tried to find out info about Tribute a few weeks ago, there didn't seem to be a website but now there is. It's under construction but I did email asking about the formula & ingredients. I haven't heard back yet but I finally had time to "snoop" around on the site and found this:

quote:
QUALITY CONTROL : We consider quality control to be everything from choosing the right ingredients and using fixed formulas, to maintaining precise computer controls. Instead of using terms such as "grain by-products" in our ingredient listing, we hold ourselves to a higher standard and provide you with the same quality ingredients in every bag.


I'd rather see the list on the bag rather than having a tag sewn on but according to the website, the formula & ingredients are fixed. Maybe I'll give it a try afterall.

Thanks!

Karen ~ Trails
&
Joe Paint Gelding
Paoli, IN


"My treasures do not sparkle or glitter, they shine in the sun and neigh in the night."



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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2008 :  11:02:19 PM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Karen from what I hear it is GREAT stuff ... I am using Kent's Horsego32 and love it but if for some reason I had to change I would look into the Essential K more..

Peggy Sue
Zan Parrs Dry Doc(Sassy)
Dark River Music(Lazy)
BA Flying Leo(Moosa)
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LLRanch
Tenderfoot

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  11:10:13 AM  Show Profile  Visit LLRanch's Homepage Send LLRanch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Karen: Thanks for the charts. I am suprised that the TDI forage balancers are not mentioned on that chart. They have nice fortification levels, utilize the organics and are available in most states across the country. The TDI company is the company that came out on the market with the idea for rations balancers and forage balancers years before Buckeye's Gro'N-Win and the others. Good information on their web-site.

One thing about the TDI products that you may want to take note of is they do NOT utilize distillers dried grains (ethanol's cost effective co-product) in any of their feeds or balancers. Through these tough economic times, many of the feed companies have changed their ingredients to include distillers grains. I have come across two different articles about higher mycotoxin risk and a deadly strain of E.coli bacteria in distillers. One in Feed management July issue and the other in Feed and Grain magazine.

I would check your feed tags or the feed ingredients listed on the web. Even some of the ration balancers mentioned in the charts are using some distillers grains. I would not trust the pelleting process to eliminate this risk.




LLRanch
customerservice@tdihorsefeeds.com
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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  11:45:07 AM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
WOW I didn't know TDI had ration balancers as welll

Dawn on the other forum has plans to redo the charts, those are the ration balancers that are avaliable pretty much nation wide and that we knew about when she made them...will have to add TDI to my links to have available when needed

Peggy Sue
Zan Parrs Dry Doc(Sassy)
Dark River Music(Lazy)
BA Flying Leo(Moosa)
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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  11:54:25 AM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
the distilling process creates enough heat to kill most of the toxins in the grain ...

maybe the TDI was not included in the charts because the analysis because it is not on the web page anywhere..??

Peggy Sue
Zan Parrs Dry Doc(Sassy)
Dark River Music(Lazy)
BA Flying Leo(Moosa)
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PaintGal
Trail Boss (Moderator)



USA
5092 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  11:56:16 AM  Show Profile Send PaintGal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
UGH. I got the last 2 bags of Essential K and the guy said he didn't think he was going to carry it anymore since it wasn't selling very well. I do not want to keep switching brands so I'm on the hunt again for a reliable supplier of a ration balancer. Bethann is checking at some feed stores in her area for me.

and BTW, I've still not heard back from Tribute concerning my inquiry but will let ya'll know if & when I do. I sure wish TDI was available way down here.

Peggysue, why not invite Dawn from the other forum to DE??


Karen ~ Trails
&
Joe Paint Gelding
Paoli, IN


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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  12:02:07 PM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can do that LOL have to be sneaky about it though

If you want come on over there ... if you are not already I will PM you where it is and there is a HUGE thread up about the ration balancers ...

LL: I found the analysis on the TDI but what is the NSC levels on them??

Peggy Sue
Zan Parrs Dry Doc(Sassy)
Dark River Music(Lazy)
BA Flying Leo(Moosa)
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LLRanch
Tenderfoot

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  12:41:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit LLRanch's Homepage Send LLRanch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The TDI Ration Balancer and Forage Balancers analysis is listed on the Analysis page on the TDI web-site - www.tdihorsefeeds.com

LLRanch
customerservice@tdihorsefeeds.com
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LLRanch
Tenderfoot

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  12:54:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit LLRanch's Homepage Send LLRanch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello PeggySue: Pertaining to Distillers Grains, what the article in Feed Management magazine says they are finding is - If the original corn has any level of mycotoxins, the distillers grains produced from it can contain two to three times the amount of the original concentration.

Lu

LLRanch
customerservice@tdihorsefeeds.com
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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  12:57:33 PM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
that is another reason people need to use companies that test the ingredients BEFORE they are used not after !! People do not realize that many companies don't test the ingredients first they are worried about what is cheapest and fastest not what is best

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LLRanch
Tenderfoot

USA
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Posted - 10/06/2008 :  1:23:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit LLRanch's Homepage Send LLRanch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
TDI does not guarantee NSC levels due to the fact that every batch of feed stuff differs, but they provide a range for each product.

TDI-10 Forage Balancer - 25 - 30%
TDI-30 Ration Balancer - 15 - 20%

The TDI-30 has more of a soybean meal base. Soybean meal is quite low in sugars and starches.

Lu Morris

LLRanch
customerservice@tdihorsefeeds.com
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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  1:27:37 PM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My Kent Horsego is soybean meal based :) I really like the Kent products .. and the fact aht I can call at anytime and get the test results for each batch !!

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LLRanch
Tenderfoot

USA
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Posted - 10/06/2008 :  1:28:18 PM  Show Profile  Visit LLRanch's Homepage Send LLRanch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Most mills black light and chemical test corn that comes in. I have run across some smaller mills that don't. I'm not sure if they have a mycotoxin test for distillers.

One of the larger horse feed companies recently had a recall on bad feed. They were one of the companies that advertise heavily about their testing every batch into the mill. Problem with many mills is that even tho they test, the feed that they take in is in the bins with their other grains before results.
Lu

LLRanch
customerservice@tdihorsefeeds.com
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LLRanch
Tenderfoot

USA
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Posted - 10/06/2008 :  1:31:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit LLRanch's Homepage Send LLRanch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
HI Peggy Sue: Just wondering what kind of test results you are talking about that you call in to get?

Lu

LLRanch
customerservice@tdihorsefeeds.com
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Peggysue
Beginning Rider



USA
50 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  1:33:14 PM  Show Profile Send Peggysue a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can get the results from the raw products as well as the finished product they keep track of what "batch" of raw products go where and test for toxins BEFORE using the product

and yes I have actually gotten the results emailed and snail mailed to me before

both nutritional and toxin results when the Purina scare happened

Peggy Sue
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