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Buckskinpony
Tenderfoot

USA
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Posted - 10/10/2005 :  9:35:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit Buckskinpony's Homepage Send Buckskinpony a Private Message
I guess this is a silly question, I recently bought a 13 yo Appy with a slight sway back. Would that make any difference in type or fit of the saddle selected?

Chuck
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Posted - 10/10/2005 :  9:42:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit Chuck's Homepage Send Chuck a Private Message
I don't know of a saddle designed for a swayback horse. If anything, I would recommend a gaited horse saddle because of the rise of the withers... not sure if this is good logical thinking though. We do sell a pad built for a swayback at http://www.horsesaddleshop.com/tufpadswaypa.html

You may want to check with some of the equine experts on this forum though about horses diagnosed as a swayback vs. a horse with a sort of muscle atrophy that can be exercised to build the correct muscle.

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Chuck
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Posted - 10/10/2005 :  9:42:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit Chuck's Homepage Send Chuck a Private Message
I don't know of a saddle designed for a swayback horse. If anything, I would recommend a gaited horse saddle because of the rise of the withers... not sure if this is good logical thinking though. We do sell a pad built for a swayback at http://www.horsesaddleshop.com/tufpadswaypa.html

You may want to check with some of the equine experts on this forum though about horses diagnosed as a swayback vs. a horse with a sort of muscle atrophy that can be exercised to build the correct muscle.

Chuck

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Buckskinpony
Tenderfoot

USA
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Posted - 10/10/2005 :  9:48:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit Buckskinpony's Homepage Send Buckskinpony a Private Message
Thanks Chuck! He has a very slight sway...nothing really pronounced.
You have a great website and provide timely delivery and great customer service!
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Buckskinpony
Tenderfoot

USA
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Posted - 10/10/2005 :  9:48:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit Buckskinpony's Homepage Send Buckskinpony a Private Message
Thanks Chuck! He has a very slight sway...nothing really pronounced.
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galadriel
Beginning Rider

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Posted - 10/12/2005 :  09:00:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit galadriel's Homepage Send galadriel a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Buckskinpony

Thanks Chuck! He has a very slight sway...nothing really pronounced.



(As I mention in my article) This is likely more related to muscles than skeleton. A horse's back is like a suspension bridge; when the suspension (the muscles) get weaker, the back dips. As the muscles get stronger, the back raises again.

This often isn't a permament condition--but the horse must be able to *use* his back in order for the muscle to build strength. If the saddle is pinching at all, the horse will tense up his back in response. This makes the back dip more, and prevents him from being able to build his muscles. It actually makes the back sway *more*.

So be very careful when picking a saddle for a horse like this; if his back doesn't seem to be improving, then it's probably pinching. It can be a good idea to take a photo once a month or so, and compare over time.
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galadriel
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Posted - 10/12/2005 :  09:00:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit galadriel's Homepage Send galadriel a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Buckskinpony

Thanks Chuck! He has a very slight sway...nothing really pronounced.



(As I mention in my article) This is likely more related to muscles than skeleton. A horse's back is like a suspension bridge; when the suspension (the muscles) get weaker, the back dips. As the muscles get stronger, the back raises again.

This often isn't a permament condition--but the horse must be able to *use* his back in order for the muscle to build strength. If the saddle is pinching at all, the horse will tense up his back in response. This makes the back dip more, and prevents him from being able to build his muscles. It actually makes the back sway *more*.

So be very careful when picking a saddle for a horse like this; if his back doesn't seem to be improving, then it's probably pinching. It can be a good idea to take a photo once a month or so, and compare over time.
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pAint_Misbehavin
Tenderfoot

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Posted - 11/09/2005 :  10:54:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit pAint_Misbehavin's Homepage Send pAint_Misbehavin a Private Message
I have a twenty-two year old draft cross with a dipped back. The saddler says it's not so much muscle wastage as the effects of gravity over 22 yrs. His withers are pretty high.

The same saddler has recommended a gaited horse saddle for my six year old paint, because he has wide shoulders but is close-coupled and needs something short but with lots of room in the withers.

Is it too much to hope that the same saddle might fit both horses And what do y'all think of the endurance lite-traveler by Crates, in gaited horse bars?

*waves at galadriel* It's Peace from NR.
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pAint_Misbehavin
Tenderfoot

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Posted - 11/09/2005 :  10:54:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit pAint_Misbehavin's Homepage Send pAint_Misbehavin a Private Message
I have a twenty-two year old draft cross with a dipped back. The saddler says it's not so much muscle wastage as the effects of gravity over 22 yrs. His withers are pretty high.

The same saddler has recommended a gaited horse saddle for my six year old paint, because he has wide shoulders but is close-coupled and needs something short but with lots of room in the withers.

Is it too much to hope that the same saddle might fit both horses And what do y'all think of the endurance lite-traveler by Crates, in gaited horse bars?

*waves at galadriel* It's Peace from NR.
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Chuck
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Posted - 11/09/2005 :  11:10:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit Chuck's Homepage Send Chuck a Private Message
Hi pAINT_Misbehavin,

If your Draft X is up over 1600 lbs I don't know of a saddle that would fit both. I would recommend the Tuffy Pad at http://www.horsesaddleshop.com/tufpadswaypa.html for your draft.

A gaited saddle may work well for your paint. If he has a wide back, it may not sit too well on him.

I like the cr5001 and have had much success in fitting a wide variety of gaited horses with it (the return rate is low compared to most other gaited saddles).

Chuck

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Chuck
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Posted - 11/09/2005 :  11:10:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit Chuck's Homepage Send Chuck a Private Message
Hi pAINT_Misbehavin,

If your Draft X is up over 1600 lbs I don't know of a saddle that would fit both. I would recommend the Tuffy Pad at http://www.horsesaddleshop.com/tufpadswaypa.html for your draft.

A gaited saddle may work well for your paint. If he has a wide back, it may not sit too well on him.

I like the cr5001 and have had much success in fitting a wide variety of gaited horses with it (the return rate is low compared to most other gaited saddles).

Chuck

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pAint_Misbehavin
Tenderfoot

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Posted - 11/09/2005 :  11:46:23 AM  Show Profile  Visit pAint_Misbehavin's Homepage Send pAint_Misbehavin a Private Message
Thanks for the quick reply, Chuck.

Bram is a short draft cross - only about 15hh - and I doubt he'd weigh much more than 1100 or 1200 pounds. My paint is about the same height - 14.3 hh or so and weighs about 1000 pounds. My instructor describes the paint as "cobby."

I *think* the saddle my saddle-fitter recommended is for a gaited horse. It's not mine but was in the tack room when the saddler came so we tried it on the paint horse. The tag says "National Bridle Co." and when I searched their web site the only saddle that looked like a match was one of their "Tennesseans" which I understand is made by Crates. It's an older saddle - it may be that National Bridle Co. used to offer this saddle in QH bars?

Looking around the Crates website led me to the Lite Traveler, as I prefer an endurance to a western saddle and the National Bridle Co. western saddle I'm using now weighs about 35 pounds. It's killing my back to try to lift it onto even my short horse!

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pAint_Misbehavin
Tenderfoot

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Posted - 11/09/2005 :  11:46:23 AM  Show Profile  Visit pAint_Misbehavin's Homepage Send pAint_Misbehavin a Private Message
Thanks for the quick reply, Chuck.

Bram is a short draft cross - only about 15hh - and I doubt he'd weigh much more than 1100 or 1200 pounds. My paint is about the same height - 14.3 hh or so and weighs about 1000 pounds. My instructor describes the paint as "cobby."

I *think* the saddle my saddle-fitter recommended is for a gaited horse. It's not mine but was in the tack room when the saddler came so we tried it on the paint horse. The tag says "National Bridle Co." and when I searched their web site the only saddle that looked like a match was one of their "Tennesseans" which I understand is made by Crates. It's an older saddle - it may be that National Bridle Co. used to offer this saddle in QH bars?

Looking around the Crates website led me to the Lite Traveler, as I prefer an endurance to a western saddle and the National Bridle Co. western saddle I'm using now weighs about 35 pounds. It's killing my back to try to lift it onto even my short horse!

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Chuck
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USA
1265 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2005 :  12:02:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit Chuck's Homepage Send Chuck a Private Message
Yes, its all confusing.

The cr5001 at http://www.horsesaddleshop.com/gaited-horse-endurance-saddle.html is the gaited version of Crates Lite Traveler. It also has the same tree as the Tennessean - National Bridle has changed the saddle a bit to have exclusitivity to it. The Tennessean and the Cr5001 should fit exactly the same.

Chuck

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Chuck
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Posted - 11/09/2005 :  12:02:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit Chuck's Homepage Send Chuck a Private Message
Yes, its all confusing.

The cr5001 at http://www.horsesaddleshop.com/gaited-horse-endurance-saddle.html is the gaited version of Crates Lite Traveler. It also has the same tree as the Tennessean - National Bridle has changed the saddle a bit to have exclusitivity to it. The Tennessean and the Cr5001 should fit exactly the same.

Chuck

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